Talk:Arctic Avenue

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Does any one have information about the history of Arctic Ave? I'm particularly interested in finding out why Arctic was incomplete between Oriental and Russet before the 1970's From what I can see there was a parcel of land not sold to developers that forced the realignment of Oriental and prevented Arctic and Iris from being completed. Any information on this?

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See the information on Aspen Hill Park#Section 2, there is just enough information to help figure this out. Reading the deeds themselves may be helpful, try looking at MDLandRec.Net, get an account there (free) and read some deeds. ;) Thardman 14:07, 2 December 2009 (EST)

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I see the comment about Samuel Davis and I've looked briefly at the two deeds (JLB212/306 and HMS 3953/482) but honestly I can't make much out of them. I'll print them out and spend some time comparing the descriptions. Has anyone else mapped the description of the 1910 deed? Does it correspond to the entire undeveloped area with seen in the 1963 aerial photos with trees and several small structures near the present-day Iris CT?

Is it OK for me to upload images of these deeds? Or should I transcribe the descriptions?

I may be able to eventually guess what happened to leave that small parcel unsold until 1970 but I'm more interested in the why. I guess I can look for news stories from 1963-1970 for any mention of Davis. That's a pretty common name so how well I'll do.

I'm surprised that this wasn't big news in the 1960s when I was a kid. I guess the fact that Arctic was developed in stages over several years resulted in us never expecting it to be finally complete. I remember it being a pain every time we left the neighborhood.

Does any one have any recollection of stories given for this last piece of Arctic taking 5+ years to be complete?

While I'm asking, what about the other end of Arctic at Bel Pre? That took a few years to be completed as well. Any stories about that?


Gfc62 07:52, 3 December 2009 (EST)

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All I remember is that in about 1972 or so, I was hanging out with some friends and we decided to ride our bikes out down to see the woods being cleared in the area near Arctic Park. It was about this time that they completed Bauer Drive, which itself had been held up for some years by an equity action concerning "Bauer Place" in Manor Woods subdivision near the Manor Woods Swim Club pool.

This one older kid said something to the effect of how there had been a lot of holdups in development, and said something about problems getting bridge approval and how in Maryland this took forever. I think he said his dad was a lawyer. Also there was some problem with getting rights-of-way approved or abandoned, something along that line.

I also seem to recall that there was some issue about probate of the Arctic Park neighborhood, evidently it was in court half of forever and as soon as title was assigned, development started almost immediately. Search also in this site for "Miao" in the context of "widow".

Signing with four tildes (~) Thardman 19:34, 3 December 2009 (EST)

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The bridge issue would have been Bauer Drive over Sycamore Creek, right? I don't think there are any bridges on Arctic. I remember Bauer being unfinished at Sycamore Creek for several years, the story about bridge approval makes sense of this.

Another friend suggested the Arctic Park area could have been further delayed after probate settled because of the 'Sewer Moratorium' when Montgomery County was not allowing new hookups to the sewer system to check rapid development. I don't have any evidence of this but can look around. Does any one know the years involved in the sewer moratorium? My recollection was that it was later in the 70s

Gfc62 08:23, 4 December 2009 (EST)

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I don't know the dates of the sewer moratorium, but I should mention that Sycamore Creek also crosses under Bel Pre Road just east of Arctic Avenue and also right at the intersection of Bel Pre and Arctic. I know that the plat maps for Bel Pre Woods and Manor Woods include a lot of minor re-subdivisions involving easements for storm drainage and sanitary sewer. The dates on those ought to give more information as to timeframe.

Thardman 10:36, 4 December 2009 (EST)

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Looking at the comments I have embedded in my "various tracts over time" googlemap, some oblique and tangential references in the Earle Tract II (Hermitage) deed (dark blue line bounding the area in question) at line 3 of the deed mention ownership of lands to the south and west, but not that to the north.

I did flesh out the entry for Aspen Hill Park neighborhood, see the entry marked "Davis Tract" on that page.

I should mention that plats showing the bounds of Arctic Park are in Rock Creek Manor and Bel Pre Woods.

Now I have to go get started on a total re-write of Category:Subdivision, Aspen Hill Park to conform it to the other subdivision articles. :( Thardman 10:48, 4 December 2009 (EST)